Reach Australia Podcast Special: Pastoring – Leadership and Taking Heed (Andrew Heard and Paul Grimmond)

This episode accompanies a free e-book written by Andrew Heard and Tony Payne, available at

The video of this interview is available on the Reach Australia youtube.

0:00 Introduction

1:03 Unhelpful understandings of pastoral ministry

2:13 The language of pastor in the Bible

10:17 Training incoming pastors

23:13 Meeting with your people

26:53 Models of ministry

30:40 Bad shepherds

33:15 Accountability

37:38 Is team pastoring really pastoring?

43:51 Leadership is noble

47:49 Men and women