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G’day I’m Scott Sanders and welcome to the One Thing a podcast is going to give you one solid, practical tip for gospel centre ministry every week.
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BCA works with churches all over Australia and would love to discuss your needs.Get in touch at www.virtualchurchassist.com.And now back to the podcast.Today though, we are going to be thinking about some of the current trends in church planting.
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And I want to interact with an article from Kerry Newhoff, who’s a Canadian who speaks a lot about the North American church planting scene.And I reckon it’s it’s sometimes or sometimes helpful to sort of read something outside of your context and think about how how it applies.And so today I’ve asked Peter Hughes and Aaron Boyd, who are planting mobilisers with the Registrar Network to come on board.
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So welcome Peter Hughes, welcome Aaron Boyd.Thanks, Scott.It’s great to be here.Yeah.Great to be here, Scott.Now, Aaron, you’re coming to us live from Melbourne.Peter, you’re coming to us live from Sydney.Yeah, Aaron, maybe you could.What?What is a planting mobiliser?
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What?What does that mean?It’s a question I’ve asked myself often, Scott.It’s a big reach.Every conversation I had with someone about church planning, I do sort of tag it with have you felt mobilised towards planting?But yeah, the the general idea is that my role is to help identify new church planners, have conversations with the network with them, and move them towards church planning if that’s something that is a suitable fit for them.
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Yeah, great.That’s really helpful to hear you say if that’s a suitable fit.We want to talk to as many people as possible.So if you’re thinking about ministry, perhaps you’re not even thinking about church planning necessarily.But it’s great to have a conversation with these guys.They’ll help you think about it.They’ve got a bunch of ministry experience and in particular, both of you guys have planted churches.
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Yeah, we, we, we’ve planted churches.I, I can say in my case, whether that was successful or not, I’ve learned a lot of mistakes.I learned a lot of things not to do.But yeah, we’ve had it go.Yeah.And you’ve both also been involved not only in churches for a significant amount of time, but also in student, you know, student campus ministry as well.
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Yeah, that’s true actually.Yeah.We have both worked in AFS at different times and it’s been great to see students as they’re coming through, thinking about how actually they are going to serve Jesus.So that’s I really enjoyed that part of my life.Now 2, two things or two tools that we often talk about that you know, with an acronyms, the CPQ and the Gospel workers question, the DGWQ, they’re available on the website.
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They’re a great sort of first point of call to go to, but these are the two guys that are going to be talking you through those results and helping you reflect and think about your ministry.Can I just get what’s 1 of the one one thing that’s helpful about each of those tools, just all those those tools?
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Pete, do you want to talk about the the GWQ?I would love to, I, I love the GWQI love chatting through with people and what it does is it’s a self reflection tool and it does a much better job of just rather than going, how do you think you’re going?It actually kind of looks at, well, let’s, let’s dig into a, a number of different aspects of your role as a gospel worker and what are some of the things that you’re actually doing Well, we can thank God for.
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What are some of the things that you need to work on and to give people a bit of skills and, you know, a few tools of how they can actually keep improving.And that’s been a great thing.The CPQ is the next step.Aaron, do you want to talk about that?Yeah, yeah, yeah, Happy to.
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Yeah, The CPQ has been just tremendously useful.I mean, we know that church plan has come in lots of different kind of shapes and sizes, I guess not necessarily physically, but that’s also true.But you know, it’s not a kind of like, yeah, a cookie cutter approach to church planning, but there are certain traits that we want to kind of, I guess, measure when it comes.
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And so this, the CPQ, is really an opportunity for people to reflect on their own life, to answer some questions about some key traits of church planters.And then it kind of spits out a report which says, here’s some things that mean that you might be more suited to this particular model of church planting or or perhaps an established church or a church revitalization.
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So it’s a really helpful diagnostic thing.You can do it yourself and then follow up with a conversation with Pete or myself.We can help you sort of interpret the data and work out what the next steps might be in terms of thinking about church planting.Great, SO we’ll put a link in the show notes about those tools.
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If you’re a leader and you’re listening to this and you’re thinking I’ve got someone on my team who would be, you know, who want to kind of help start moving towards and thinking about it, you know, send them a link.If you’re a leader and you’re listening, you’re thinking we just don’t.I just don’t know if I’m if I’m seated, you should dive in, jump in and do the free test today.
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Now guys, I want to talk to you about a Kerry Newhoff article.As I said, Kerry is a, a North American church leader, a Canadian, an author, a prolific podcaster.I think he’s some, some has the longest, you know, some of the longest, long, long form, you know, podcasts going around.
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He’s written an article recently which will put in the the show that’s called Church Planning is Changing.Here’s how to change with it.So church planning is changing.Here’s how to change with it.And so I want to, I want to have a, a, a chat with you about that.He first thing 4 surprising statistics.
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He kicks off the article talking about four surprising statistics.So they are North American, but he, he raises one that I’ve heard lots at many a, many a sort of church planning conference in North America, church plants, church plants versus church closes in the United States, quite a stark thing.
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Approximately 5 to 10,000 churches close each year and probably the there’s about 6000 new churches being planted.So there’s a, there’s kind of a gap or a net loss of of sort of 4000 churches each year.
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We we find it I think a little bit harder to get statistics in Australia.Our sort of last estimate of Protestant churches was probably about 10,200.We don’t really track closures and we don’t really track starts.We’ll exponential Australia have just been sort of getting into that space.But my sense is we’re also kind of slower, you know, slower to close churches than they are in America.
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There’s just seems to be a, a, a harder, harder push.But just if we think about population Australia, we’re not keeping pace with population.The amount of churches hasn’t really changed in a significant way for a number of years.And and one of the sort of church growth stats of, you know, one church to every thousand people, we’re probably tracking it about one church to every sort of 3200 or 3400 people.
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So there is a great need for more, for more churches, not only because churches are closing but also because we have lots of people migrating to Australia as well.Second thing is actually.Scott, can I jump in there?Can I just say we treat church closures like it’s a bad thing?
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And there are some churches, I call them zombie churches, zombie churches that should close because they’re dead, but they’re not.And what church closing does is actually releases a whole bunch of great resources into a new step of ministry, a new chapter in people’s lives.
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And so I think we should stop thinking about church closures like it’s, it’s something terrible, but actually, let’s embrace it.Let’s work out how to do it well, and I think it it does show how important it is to continue to do the planting process.But you’re right, it, it is a release of energy.
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I’ve had a number of sort of coaching conversations recently where we’ve shut down a, a congregation, you know, and that and that’s been actually you can release, you know, more resource to do new things.Yeah, I think if the a, we don’t want the aim to be to keep churches open at all costs, no matter their health or the resources that they’re using.
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But I mean, in the big picture, we’re obviously wanting to see more churches open that are proclaiming the gospel.But yes, like not a few of the churches in the seven letters, you know, in the Book of Revelation still exist as gathered congregations.
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So, you know, the the fact is that churches start and churches close, and it’s a normal part of gospel ministry.Good.Well, the other the other surprising stat you’re probably not surprised to hear on this podcast, but more church plants are needed.So if I’m going to keep pace with popular population growth outpaced church closes, well, one of the solutions is we actually need to plant more churches.
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An interesting fact, 66% of churches in America are non viable after four years.We’ve done the research in Australia in 2016 with Lifeway research.It’s it is a slower, slower time period to get to viability.
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It’s generally about 8 years and, and generally, generally it’s only 40% of churches are, you know, viable after, you know, after eight years.And then the last, the last one again, I don’t know why this is, this is surprising, but the higher the launch funding, the higher the attendance.
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Again, the research that we’ve done in Australia has, has looked at larger launch team sizes.So not necessarily funding tied to it, but actually if you, if you start with a larger launch team and gathering team and even if you’re your first sort of public launch, the larger it is generally the the quicker you’ll get to pushing past sort of average growth numbers and the and the quicker you get to sort of pushing past that sort of hundred 120 number.
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I, I, I’ll be interested to hear what you guys have to say about this one, because I, I agree with the, but I think the, the bigger the launch team, the more likely it will continue on and I’ll have that momentum, it’ll keep going.The launch funding.That’s, that’s a question for me because I, I, I sat in a room actually a couple of days ago with a bunch of guys and they were talking about how actually the, the churches that had been given a lot of seed funding were the ones that tended not to survive because they’d had this seed funding like it was some sort of drug and they’d lost it.
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And then the whole thing fell apart.So you can have too much funding I reckon and.That well, yeah.And you can also have too little.So.Yeah.Too much.Having too much so you’ve got too much means that you actually don’t do the work of discipling your people, encouraging them to give.Yeah.You know, hungry rats run faster.
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I think he’s is a is an Al Stewart phrase.I’ve done it.It’s definitely not from Proverbs or or the Bible, but there is that kind of impetus that you you’re going to you’re going to preach about generosity, encourage people to give, but but also having too little.So not being able to kind of give yourself to church plenty full time or having to do a lot of fundraising that takes you away from your kind of main work of building a launch team and and planning can also be be tough as well.
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Yeah, I think that the key thing you actually said is discipling the hearts of your people and finding that sweet spot where they’re eager to give generously to the cause of the gospel.But yeah, it’s really just the the shortfall in the early years of planting that’s been filled up by a bit of seed funding.
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But the the congregation is on board with, hey, we want this funding to go to see other churches planted in the future, not for us to kind of have a cushy first three to five years just not giving generously.Yeah.So I think like getting off the seed funding and being financially independent as quickly as possible.
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Yeah, it’s great obligations to work toward.And if, if you are a planter out there, yeah, we’d encourage you to get assessed, we’d encourage you to be part of the two church paint boot camps who do over the course of the year.The funding piece, the launching strong piece is a critical part of our our training processes.
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Now I want to I want to push into the the five kind of trends that Kerry raises.The first is church planning is no longer just add water approach 2 authenticity is resonating more than ever. 3 slow is your friend 4 the core is more important than ever.
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And his fifth one, church planning is no longer a solo sport unless you want it to be Well, I feel like the first one we should sort of go to the cool person on the team.So that’s Aaron down down in Melbourne, but carrying his first one.His first trend says that church planning is no longer just sort of add water.
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The attractional church church was cool.Just sort of set up a gathering and people will come is no longer the case, at least in North America.And I feel like this was no longer the case in the twenty 20s in Australia.It was no longer the case in the 20 tens and it was no longer the case probably in the 2000s either, although less so.
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So I feel like we’ve had this trend earlier and faster as we become post Christian, more secular and also as as we’ve just had a different church history start, you know, less Christian.But yeah, church plant is no longer.Just add water, Aaron.
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Yeah, I, I did read that and I thought, yeah, that that’s not been the case in Australia.Probably, I don’t know, like perhaps perhaps back in, you know, there’s the kind of 50s and 60s attractional Billy Graham crusades attraction or evangelism.
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But like even like since in in the night, you know, like, yeah.So I think that that that kind of point that church planting, hey, in the early 2000s was about just adding water was not really relevant in Australia.Certainly not in a particularly progressive context like Melbourne where there’s not a lot of low hanging fruit that you’re just kind of gathering heaps of nominal Christians or yeah.
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So Yep.So there’s a.There’s a need, there’s a need then to be intentional, to have, have plans to equip your equipment ministry team.I think one of the, the, the other points that he kind of pulls out of this is that in the at least in the last five years, culture has been changing rapidly and, and there has been gospel climate change.
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We, we now have a, we now have a church.We now have a culture that’s more antagonistic to the church, at least that’s what it seems.But at the same time, we’re also, you know, Mccrindle’s research and NCLS’s community research.We also have a a community that’s also more open, you know, to the gospel as well.
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See, I think that’s why church plants are so effective because they’re watching that edge.And so they’re always kind of going, OK, I need to, as you say, those hungry rats run faster.They kind of go, I, I, I need to kind of keep growing because it’s for the gospel.
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But there’s also this sense of I need to get to viability.I need to get, get stuff done.And so plants tend to look outward.It’s much easier for a, a comfortable existing church not to look out and not to notice that the landscape is changing, not to think about how they’re going to be missionally kind of doing it.
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It’s a much harder thing.I think it’s it’s important to do.And so Aaron and I both came from student ministries.And if you weren’t looking out in student ministry, you were dead in three years because everyone you had graduated and you were gone.And so every year you were always looking out for how to who’s the person I can disciple?
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Who’s the person who needs to hear the gospel?And so that kind of hunger, I think that you get that in plants.You don’t you, you should get that in existing in churches.That’s why we have.You got to work.Yeah, you got to work.Work harder, harder for it, be more intentional about it.Pay attention to it.
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OK.I want to push in Aaron into the second one.Authenticity is resonating more than ever.So he he says this.If you’re launching and hoping to reach the next generation, just know that at least when it comes to church authenticity, hope, mission and community are the new cool.
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It’s one of the unique advantages you can leverage when you’re a small church plant.So again, Kerry comes back to the new cool, that’s what.We’re all down.Yeah.That’s how you grow churches.It’s just like just working out and tapping into that.
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Yeah, OK, I might be old.Can someone explain to me what authenticity actually means?Like I I still haven’t worked out what does that actually mean in church.Well, I think he makes the point that it’s the over hyped, over rehearsed.Like, again, I think in our Galatarian culture, right, you know, come as you are relaxed, being, being real.
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I, I think it’s kind of a part of who we are.We, we have a high kind of, you know, BS, you know, counter in our culture.So we sure, you know, we raise it.So the, the idea of putting on the, you know, the slick, the slick programme is, you know, it’s disingenuous to, you know, to the, to the current generation.
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But I but I, I think that one of the things is it’s very hard to pull that off in a, in a small church plant.Like I think you can do that potentially in a campus model.We are launching quite strong with with large, you know, large and significant resources.But again, church bunting Australia is not, you know, is not that and has not been that.
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So it is often smaller, simpler.Yeah, one of the great kind of benefits of of planting small is the the large family feel, the sense of deep and thick community.Everyone knows everyone, and it just wouldn’t make sense in that context to not kind of be real and authentic, just to kind of, Yep, leverage that.
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Of course, as the church gets bigger, it’s can be harder to work out what that looks like.There’s also, anyway, we don’t have to dive into this, but I think that there’s a difference between, I guess authenticity often overlaps with concepts like transparency and vulnerability.
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Yeah.And I think there’s a a difference between, hey, I’m transparent and honest about who I am.That doesn’t mean that you have to be bearing your soul to everyone or revealing the the deepest, darkest, true you to every single person at church.But anyway, like overall, I think that there is this desire for deep and rich and thick community as opposed to the kind of slick superficial stuff that, yeah, might have worked in perhaps larger scale church growth model type planting.
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Yeah.Good, good, good.Now here’s .3 Slow as your friend.Now, Pete, you’ve been working on the the boot camp training and, you know, we’ve got AI think 18 plus people going through the, you know, the next round in in a few months.
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Yeah, it’s great.You’ve, you know, the assessment process in and out as well.One of the key things we do in that is encourage each planting planter and planting team to put together a plan slow as your friend again, I I don’t feel like this is a current trend for us.I feel like we’ve been talking about having a good long lead up, you know, 12 to 18 months to launch so you can make the most of the opportunity, so you can prepare well.
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Talk.Talk about slow as your friend.I love talking about slow no, but I, I think I, I think you’re right.It’s not a new trend in Australia, but it is, I think, an expectation that again, we need to kind of raise.
20:13
So the first church planning conference I ever went to is back in 96 and Frank Rattie from South South Africa was talking and his approach to church planting was basically, we noticed a bunch of people who live in a suburb, He’d get them together at the end of a Sunday and go right, next week you guys are meeting over there, church done right?
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And it was basically two weeks.That’s how you plant a church.And it worked in South Africa, worked for that time.I think it was interesting that what you, you said earlier that it takes about 8 years really for we get to to viability or we get to really a good solid church.It takes eight years to get there.I just don’t think we’ve got the expectation that we get that kind of the investment is a long, long term investment.
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And so I think we have in our heads, if I do this for two or three years, we’ve got it, it’s going to be great.But, and, and I think some of the guys that particularly I’ve been coaching and they’ve got to the three or four year mark and gone, oh mate, this is, this is actually hard and I’m going to have to keep going on this for a while.
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So I think it’s setting the right expectation there.It’s always been there, but getting that right expectation.Aaron, what was, what was your kind of incubating period and and launch period for Darabin, OH?Pretty slow for yeah, it’s a pretty slow journey towards actually planning.
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I, I, I think that there’s this, there’s this tension, like we feel the urgency that there’s just millions of people who need to hear the gospel and be saved through faith in Christ.And so there’s a sense in which like moving slowly as your friend just doesn’t feel right.
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Like we’re just, we’ve got to press on.We’ve got to accelerate this to see as the church grow as quickly as possible.And and there’s Hadami wants to say yes, but if you don’t move slowly in some things or two, two butts like 1 is if you don’t move slowly in some things, then you might end up planting something that is growing quickly but not very healthy or functional.
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And secondly, chances are it won’t grow as quickly as your urgent gospel desire hopes it will.And, and so you’ll need to recalibrate expectations and still be kind of content and persevere in the ministry.So, yeah, so those are a couple of thoughts, but in general things, I think Australia is moving more slowly.
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Yeah, I do.I do think there was a period through the through the 90s and the 2000s though in the number of well, at least at least in the the AAG or now Australian Christian churches, me where they’re planting a lot of churches, you know, each week.And I even think the, the diocese and push, you know, in 2000s under Peter Jensen, they were, I think over 100 plus congregation started.
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I think a lot of those were, you know, reactive.They didn’t, you know, they didn’t spend time assessing the assessing the person, you know, putting the plan together.I think a lot of our planting in Australia can be reactive as well.We kind of got that.Do it yourself, you know, attitude.And someone says, Hey, I’ve got a I’ve got a building.
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You know what?Oh, so let’s plant a church.Let’s.Let’s start next week.Yeah.Yeah, that’s right.The journey to planting and leading up to public launch, generally speaking, needs to be slower than lots of people think.Yeah, that’s right.
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That’s right.And I remember.Meeting with one, when Gabby and I were thinking about planting in kind of the inner northern suburbs of Melbourne, we met with someone and he was like, yeah, we’ll, we’ll get behind you.We don’t really need to assess you.We just trust that the Lord’s calling you to it.
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And and I was like, oh, that doesn’t seem quite right.And then I met with then Gabby and I met with Scott, and he’s like, you know, I’ve got rigorous assessments and we’ll hook you up with a coach.And I’m like, yeah, that that’s just seems like kind of a more helpful and slower and thoughtful approach to preparing for church planning.
23:57
So yeah, that’s that.In that phase in particular, slow is our friend.Now I I want to, I want to pull up Kerry’s last two points.I love, I love these last two points.The core is more important than ever and church planting is no longer a solo sport.One of the, I guess the key values of us as a network is we want to, as a, as a church leader, both as a church planting leader, as a tablet church leader.
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We want to build responsibility, we want to take responsibility.We want to build a team’s ministry across church life.And I think this is critically important for the church planter to be building teams around around themselves, critically important for the established church leader as well.
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And so hopefully Kerry uses the term core.I much prefer launch team because I think core can can often give you problems down the track.Yeah, with those members.So with your launch team, definitely more important than ever.But having having a solid core of 75 committed volunteers, we’d be arguing for 55.
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Yep, yeah, you know, in Australia, but having having more rather than, you know, the average, which is about 35 to 38 in that core crowd.But also just recognising church plant planning is no longer a solo sport.So recognise a key role of the church plan is actually to be developing, discipling, building up that launch team so that they can, you know, work, you know, work through and take over significant responsibility.
25:23
And I’ve been chatting with one of the other members on our team who’s just been part of a church plan out in Western western Sydney.And it’s been great watching Chris, who’s plenty planting the church out of Box Hill, you know, hand over significant levels of responsibility for ministries to his non, you know, he’s the only paid staff member on the team to to his team, to his launch team.
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And actually seeing them run with it and and seeing them launch, you’re really strong.Yeah, I, I think back in the 2000s, I think the idea of a planter was the Rockstar.He’d go out, he’d make it all happen.That’s the thing.I think that was a myth.
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I think I was wrong.I’m probably am guilty of thinking that and I needed to repent.But certainly, yeah, you need a good team.You need a good number of T people, but you need to be plugged into a network.I think that’s part of what what we do is so important.If it’s not us, plug into another network, but just make sure that you’re not alone.
26:20
I there were some things that I went through early in our years that I think if I had particularly some coaching, it probably wouldn’t have caused the amount of devastation that it did.I just needed an older guy go tap me on the shoulder and go, you’re doing something really dumb.
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Stop doing that.Start doing this.And, and it didn’t need to be older.They didn’t need to be an expert.It just needed a second pair of eyes coming in from the outside looking at this situation going, yeah, you’re not doing a great job there.You need to fix this.And there’s lots of, there’s lots of good resource that you say there, lots of networks you’ve got, you know, city to city exponential Australia X 29, Yep, denominations have been, you know, working in this space over the last 10 years as well.
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So you, you, you, you are able to get assist, you’re able to find a coach, you’re able to get resources in church planting.Yep, somewhere in Australia, just.Like one piece I think is important and the research shows that planters who remain connected to a a close peer network, other planters tend to be more healthy church planters themselves and to plant more healthy changes.
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And so we want to work hard on keeping those connections because as yeah, spot on the article.Like, I don’t think church planning has ever been a solo, you know, a solo sport in the sense that even in the scriptures, the apostle Pauls always banging on about partnership in the gospel and has his gospel team that is doing ministry with.
27:48
And so I don’t think church planning has ever been a solo sport.But I think what we realised was at the same time as realising how critical it is to get the right person leaving the plant.Through assessment and things, people may have gotten the impression it was all about just the church planter rather than the team around them and the peer, their work and those sort of things.
28:08
Awesome.Well, guys, it’s been really, really good to sort of interacting with this article.As I said, carrying you off as prolific podcaster and author has been a great article to kind of think into.What does this look like in the Australian church planting scene?
28:23
Can I ask you, what’s your one, one thing that you want to say to a potential church planter, Pete?I want to say, look, the the landscape may be changing, but the need is still there and that’s what needs to drive.You keep planting, take the risk, go do it.
28:40
Aaron.Yeah, if you’re even vaguely thinking about church planting, then explore that further, pray about it, get in touch with Reach Australia or some other network because there’s not that.Nowhere near enough people are thinking about planning a church.
28:58
So please get in touch.Great.Well, I’m going to open up the toolbox.We talked about two resources there, the the CPQ and the GWQ.Fill out both those.You’ll get a conversation from Pete or Aaron.If you’re not quite sure as well, and that’s probably too much of a step, check out the church planning podcast.
29:18
Great to hear a whole bunch of Australian church planners talking about church planting.And then I’ll put a link in the show notes as well to the article that we mentioned there.Again, I reckon that that’ll be a good article to discuss and and kick around with your established church team or each or your your church plant team as well.
29:37
Have a conversation that gets you starting to think about being more intentional.Now, if you’ve got a topic and you that you’d like us to cover, please email us at [email protected] dot AU.And one final plug.If you’re thinking about planting, get along to the Reach Australian National Conference in 2025.
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We’re gonna be having a conference just for planters.So we’ll be looking at the topic of on mission, but we’re gonna be gathering hopefully 200 and 5300 plus church planting leaders, so leaders who are keen to be sending out a church plant, but also if you’re in your church and you’re thinking about planning a church, then the plant conference at the Reach Australian National Conference is for you as well.
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So there’ll be more details coming in the next few weeks and Early Bird will be opening as well.Thanks Pete and Aaron.It’s been great talking to you both.Oh, always good to talk about planting mate.Great to be here.I’m Scott Sanders.Chat soon.
