If your church is expecting 18-year-olds to connect the same way 32-year-olds do, you’ll lose them before they ever put down roots.
In this episode, Scott Sanders is joined by Ray Copland and Holly Stewart from EV Church to unpack why young adults need a different approach to church life. Along with practical ideas to keep these young adults connected.
- The importance of community for this age group
- Why belonging often comes before commitment
- How relational pathways can be more effective than formal programs
- Practical ideas to help bridge the gap from youth group to adult church
Ray Copland is the Membership Pastor at EV Church, and Holly Stewart is a third year MTS apprentice at EV Night Church.
Toolbox:
Community and Integration Learning Lab Part 1 by Tim Clemens
Community and Integration Learning Lab Part 2 by Madeleine Galea
The One Thing Ep 177: Better Welcoming Part 1
The One Thing Ep 178: Better Welcoming Part 2
The One Thing Ep 47: Effective Integration
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Transcript:
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00:00:08:11 – 00:00:29:20
Scott Sanders
Gidday, I’m Scott Sanders. Welcome to the One Thing, a podcast designed to give you one solid practical tip for gospel centered ministry every week. Today, we’re talking about a particular section of our church family, and that’s young adults. So young adults I’m thinking 18 through to 2223. Maybe adolescence is going a little bit further out, but that could be a question that will stick around.
00:00:29:24 – 00:00:53:11
Scott Sanders
And we’re talking about the nuances of engaging and growing this part of our congregation. I’m joined by Wright Copeland and Holly Stewart from church, where looks after the membership space, that belongs in community space at church. And Holly Stewart is a third year MTS, apprentice. She’s looking at particularly membership at IB. Not so Holly and Wright.
00:00:53:12 – 00:00:55:13
Scott Sanders
So good to have you on the podcast.
00:00:55:15 – 00:00:56:04
Ray Copeland
Great to be here.
00:00:56:04 – 00:01:15:10
Scott Sanders
Thanks, Scotty. Now I think this is race second or third podcast number one. This is my first okay. So we’ve got two, two new people behind us. I’m going to go nice and easy on both of you, but for now you press play on the one thing quick wins to keep young adults connected.
00:01:15:12 – 00:01:40:16
Holly Stewart
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00:01:40:18 – 00:01:55:00
Scott Sanders
So right, I want to kind of help us think theologically about this question because, you know, as I was sort of thinking about it theologically, there’s like so many places that we could go. But how do you think about this topic when you think about church and talking to your leaders about it?
00:01:55:05 – 00:02:17:04
Ray Copeland
Yeah. Great question. We we just ran an all in training day for the not the, membership team. And we have the same thing bounces around each time. It is a very broad area. For the sake of this conversation, the one that was really kind of hitting me was where Jesus says, it’s by our love for one another that the world will know that we are his disciples.
00:02:17:06 – 00:02:37:02
Ray Copeland
So, whatever we do, we. It’s not. This is not just true for young adults. I think it’s true for everybody. But I think it’s extraordinarily important and true for young adults that the power of a community that loves each other is not only a beautiful, rich thing for the community itself, but it’s a powerful piece that people notice and see.
00:02:37:02 – 00:02:46:19
Ray Copeland
So when you’re in a church setting where people are coming in fresh and new, with a Christian or not, the the love in that community is an important and powerful piece.
00:02:47:00 – 00:03:01:02
Scott Sanders
So you made a point. It true particularly for young you know, young adults. But it’s true of us as human beings. We’re made in the image of God where we’re relational. Yeah. It’s kind of how we’re wired. Yeah, because of our cry to God. Yes.
00:03:01:04 – 00:03:21:17
Ray Copeland
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Right. I think, as I was thinking about it, this morning, even driving in it was not lost on me. Have fractured the world is, It seems that we are finding any different way that we can pull people into corners. Boxes intersect us into all kinds of different spaces. But the gospel has none of that.
00:03:21:19 – 00:03:38:02
Ray Copeland
The gospel brings us together in the Lord Jesus. And so when I say it’s particularly true for even, I think it’s because they’re they’re growing up in a world that is different to the one I grew up in. And it’s so fractured that it’s especially true for them, because it gives them a framework for thinking that they don’t naturally have.
00:03:38:04 – 00:03:41:23
Scott Sanders
So right. What’s different about keeping young adults compared to other adults?
00:03:42:00 – 00:04:05:19
Ray Copeland
Yeah, I think, there’s some things that are true of young adults that are true in other segments in that community. But, I think of, often they come and they come alone. This is something that we’ve noticed more and more post-Covid. In fact, this last year, the number of people who have been new to church historically would have come with a friend, but that number now is so much higher where people are just coming in alone.
00:04:05:21 – 00:04:24:15
Ray Copeland
And so they’re beginning a journey into the church car park, into euphoria, into the community without a safety net. And so I think it is true for other segments like, widowed, single moms, you know, I think it’s easy to think through the natural lens of people who come with a family unit or married or just you’ve got your friends already.
00:04:24:15 – 00:04:29:03
Ray Copeland
But, particularly this is important because I think people are coming in fresh.
00:04:29:05 – 00:04:32:11
Scott Sanders
Okay. So they’re coming in alone. What else is different?
00:04:32:13 – 00:04:50:19
Ray Copeland
I just age a life. I think there’s lots of big change. So, they’ve moved to the area. The so they’re not just aligned to church, but they perhaps moved for work for uni. So at every point in their life, they’re starting things fresh and new again without those kind of, networks that we take for granted.
00:04:50:23 – 00:05:08:15
Scott Sanders
That that’s she. My sense is that, a lot of young adults are actually staying, you know, staying at home. And so, you know, they might be changing jobs or they’re starting a trade or going to university, but they’re living arrangement. You know, what the thought is, is pretty settled. That’s what’s different on the Central Coast. What am I missing?
00:05:08:17 – 00:05:29:10
Holly Stewart
No, I think that’s still true. It is interesting, though, as people walk into church, they are alone. They’re not comfortable in that little family unit. So families happy just to stick together, sit alone. But young adults are looking for connection. And it’s something we hear again and again from newcomers. They’re looking for community and they’ll say that straight out.
00:05:29:15 – 00:05:32:17
Scott Sanders
So what are the questions that they’re asking? As they come?
00:05:32:19 – 00:06:02:04
Ray Copeland
Yeah, that’s a good one. I think it’s to be included and belong to the group of people, whichever service it is, we’re talking about young adults here for the moment, but, what we’re finding is, Holly, would you call it a resistance? Or maybe that that’s not not necessarily a resistance, but where it applies, that is anything you want to invite them to that is in between their arrival and the thing that they’re looking for, which is to belong to a group of people get to know and be known by a group of people.
00:06:02:09 – 00:06:21:00
Ray Copeland
Anything in the middle of that process for them is more of a resistance thing. So it becomes obvious that the quicker we can get them from first arrival into some sense of relationships and belonging and knowing be known, that works better for them, sticking with us more quickly and more long term.
00:06:21:02 – 00:06:35:04
Holly Stewart
Absolutely. I think if we’re able to land them in community quite quickly, like we really care that they’re theologically grounded and thinking through their convictions, but it is the thing that they’re often searching for and the rest will often follow.
00:06:35:06 – 00:07:03:09
Scott Sanders
As as I’m hearing you talk, it sounds like it’s a it’s a lot more, complicated. Yeah. The pathways kind of designed to sort of, you know, identify the, the main experience, the average person. Yeah. What I’m hearing you say is young adults, are wanting something different, and there’s lots of difference. So what does what does it look like on the pathway to kind of connect young adults when you’ve got a various, you know, various sort of, ways to land?
00:07:03:11 – 00:07:26:21
Ray Copeland
Yeah, I love it. Scotty. We I think the outcome we’re searching for is that people get to the point of belonging in Christian community with us. Yeah, but the means that you get them there, you’ve got the ability to pivot. If you clear on what you’re trying to shoot for, what we’re aiming for, what we would what we’ve noticed is that there is a quite a difference between your pathway pieces for a morning congregation and what we’ve seen at night.
00:07:26:23 – 00:07:44:10
Ray Copeland
At morning, if you’ve got a family that’s rocked in with 20 years of Christian experience, for better or worse, most of their decisions around what they think are settled. So for us, the pathway piece of startup or whatever you call your course in the church that you’re listening from, that piece is almost like a filtering piece to some extent.
00:07:44:15 – 00:08:11:17
Ray Copeland
We want to instill or affirm convictions so that they know who we are and what we’re on about as a church, so that they can align with whether they want to be part of that community. Are they not they still forming those convictions and pieces? And so it doesn’t need to do the same filtering process. In fact, the the startup course for us at night is, is an add on to their Christian discipleship journey.
00:08:11:17 – 00:08:34:06
Ray Copeland
We’re instilling those things. And so whatever, whatever pieces that might be there from previous churches, maybe some doctrinal stuff that we might go, we’re far less worried about that because those things get ironed out more quickly in young adult life when they’re in community, surrounded by a strong culture of Bible reading, leaving at the Christian loss there.
00:08:34:08 – 00:08:40:13
Ray Copeland
So they way more happy that they will change in that space, but the belonging becomes more important initially.
00:08:40:17 – 00:09:02:06
Scott Sanders
So in the pathway we’re talking about the the welcome. But then after the welcome as you get them established in a church. Yep. The membership course for you guys is start up. What I’m hearing you say is for the adults is a lot more formal, and you’re pushing a lot more into doctrine and theological, thinking. Yeah, for the not crew, is it’s a different it’s a different start up.
00:09:02:06 – 00:09:03:09
Scott Sanders
Is that what I’m here?
00:09:03:11 – 00:09:33:16
Holly Stewart
Well, we we invite everyone back to start up, so we’re hoping to shape the convictions, and deepen them in their thinking about these same topics. But we often do it later. So we run a lunch about every six weeks that we use is a triage event, a moment where we give them vision for church and help them to start thinking about church in the ways that we hope they will, but also to get a sense of where they’re at with Christian things and then give them a really clear next step.
00:09:33:18 – 00:09:50:03
Holly Stewart
So while we still need that moment to, triage people and, help them think rightly about growth group and landing in those, next steps. Yeah, we we decide to do the startup integration course later.
00:09:50:05 – 00:10:11:13
Scott Sanders
Okay. So, what it looks like for young adult babies, a lunch, a barbecue, and which is a conversation, by the sounds of it, they’re getting integrated into church life. They’re starting to come regularly to, to church each week. And it’s after that that then you then say, hey, come to a start up on a midweek night, Tuesday.
00:10:11:13 – 00:10:11:19
Scott Sanders
Wednesday.
00:10:11:22 – 00:10:30:15
Holly Stewart
Yeah, yeah. So we’re happy to land them in a growth group first and then invite them back later. But recognizing that growth group is still a big step in church life, we still care that they’re committed to church membership, in a sense as they join a group. So we want them to come to something. And it’s really helpful for our pastor team to meet them.
00:10:30:15 – 00:10:38:06
Holly Stewart
And it does ease the transition through different stages. So it means the person placing them in a growth group has had a conversation and can follow them up.
00:10:38:08 – 00:10:57:17
Scott Sanders
Quite. I want to just push back one step in the pathway because one, one of the things I notice when I come to Eve nights is the lack of is a lack of welcoming. Now, maybe that’s because I’m not in the demographic that you’re trying to reach. But I always find it pretty profound. It kind of can walk in the church, and there’s not a lot of touch points.
00:10:57:19 – 00:11:18:21
Scott Sanders
But it’s after church that you actually start to welcoming. And so as a, as an old person, I’ll out myself, you know, I’m wanting the smiley face. I want to be handed the booklet to be shown with stuffies, wanting that warm, welcoming someone to sit next to me, even, but it seems as though it’s, it’s quite hands off and it’s, you know, for the young adult person, they’re kind of choosing how they want to be.
00:11:19:02 – 00:11:24:16
Scott Sanders
Welcome to church. Is that is adding to it? Have I have I got the welcome experience right of Evie? Not. Yeah.
00:11:24:16 – 00:11:25:01
Ray Copeland
We saw you.
00:11:25:01 – 00:11:28:15
Scott Sanders
Coming. I haven’t come back. I haven’t come back because of that reticence. So.
00:11:28:17 – 00:11:34:09
Ray Copeland
Yeah. Holly, maybe if you just be helpful to talk it through. What does the team look like from the door? What do you do? Well, yeah.
00:11:34:11 – 00:11:59:01
Holly Stewart
So we we hope we’re still intentional. But, yeah, we do intentionally have less touchpoints than a morning service would. From the thinking that the gold standard for connecting a young adult is actually quite different to what an adult or family coming into church to have been. The yeah connect process will look like. So, we do have a connect team that’s spotting newcomers, but not everyone is wearing a lanyard.
00:11:59:02 – 00:12:10:08
Holly Stewart
So keeping the conversations casual and easy and like, just a regular church member cares about you and wants to connect, it’s less of a formal, connect person meeting a newcomer.
00:12:10:11 – 00:12:18:16
Scott Sanders
So, that they’re still on the welcoming team, though? So they’re still part of the formal welcoming team. So you’re not talking about just a culture of kind of work? No.
00:12:18:16 – 00:12:28:05
Holly Stewart
So we do have a formal welcoming team, and we’ve got people who sit next to newcomers during the service. So all your regular things, it’s just less clearly labeled.
00:12:28:05 – 00:12:42:13
Scott Sanders
Yep. Gotcha. So talk us through that because again, I’m thinking, you know, oh, what I do is I want to know who’s on the welcoming team. And, you know, then I’m like, wait, are you just being nice to me? You know, so that the lanyard kind of helps with that?
00:12:42:15 – 00:12:57:09
Ray Copeland
Yeah. Look, one of the things that I think we find interesting is the more formal those touchpoints were, we were just finding people were noticeably awkward in the conversation. If they were you. It’s very obvious to that. I want to be somewhere else other than in this conversation. It feels like you’re doing this thing with me.
00:12:57:13 – 00:13:11:06
Ray Copeland
Yeah. It’s like when you go to NFA, you on your way to Coles, and there’s that guy trying to sell you insurance on the way there and doing the best to be friendly and hand you a bag of something. But how do you if you can sense that the person doesn’t want that thing? How do you just get them past that point more quickly?
00:13:11:08 – 00:13:36:01
Ray Copeland
Whereas I think in morning it’s more like, yeah, yeah, I’m interested in insurance all what’s in the bag? Is it something very funny? So I think at night that there’s that far more organic thing and then it gets surrounded with other things. So we would say, the warmth of that. So we have a budget where we just, we do donuts and we’ve got people cruising around the foyer just giving out free donuts and the connected, the connect team people there.
00:13:36:01 – 00:14:00:14
Ray Copeland
So they’re particularly looking around. I know the regulars I know, and they make sure they land on someone that’s new. Spot them, connect with them, try to bring someone else over. So noticing them in that kind of space. But then we’ve got people that will sit at the back while the church sort of starts, and he’s doing kind of a headcount, looking around and going, that person’s new and texting, messaging, getting a connect person to go sit with them in the service.
00:14:00:16 – 00:14:14:09
Ray Copeland
And then you’re exactly right. I think what we’ve recognized that night more than anything is that the, the community surrounding the service. So it’s not just a lot of touchpoint at the start, but that time afterwards is the real gold time for the connect ministry to kick in. Yeah.
00:14:14:11 – 00:14:32:17
Scott Sanders
Okay. So that’s really helpful. So that’s kind of the formal welcoming space. You spoke about the startup course and how it’s a lot harder for a young adult to get into the startup startup. You know, course. Ordinarily. So so you’ve already said that one of the things you do differently is you just have a a nice little touch point.
00:14:32:17 – 00:14:47:24
Scott Sanders
You get people into growth groups into this small group space. But you still encourage people to do their startup. Cool. So what does what does that look like? I’ve been in this group now for, you know, 3 or 4 months. And what would happen if I was a young adult at RV?
00:14:48:01 – 00:15:05:03
Holly Stewart
So we’re just essentially reaching out and offering another opportunity to be shaped and discipled and think deeply about, Christian truths and hoping that, people are interested in this at this point in their, Christian life, that they’re keen to keep thinking deeply about things.
00:15:05:05 – 00:15:10:23
Scott Sanders
And what I get invited to the ordinary kind of ongoing regular evening, you know, Tuesday.
00:15:10:23 – 00:15:22:19
Holly Stewart
Not yet ordinary one. But we do try and think young adult, essentially. So we might do dinner before with all the young adults who are attending and we all group together. So still having a bit of a group identity there.
00:15:22:19 – 00:15:23:16
Scott Sanders
Yeah, okay.
00:15:23:18 – 00:15:50:19
Ray Copeland
It’s one of the ongoing conversations that, you know, your congregations, once you move through the front door, you end up in either 30, ten, 39 where they where do we express that sort of closeness together across all congregations? And startup is one of those spaces where the full church family kind of intersect. And there’s a value membership that we want to we want to enjoy that moment for people, but we also want it to be a moment that doesn’t feel like there’s two kids over at grandma’s house.
00:15:50:21 – 00:16:12:07
Ray Copeland
So we want it to be. And that’s why there’s a few different reasons. One is the, helping them connect and belong more quickly. The other is so that we can actually have the event itself feel like, oh, there’s lots of people like me here. And so the big one at the start of the year, where most, most of the young adults will be moving in from all the year 13 like 12 to 13 or the new to the area ones.
00:16:12:07 – 00:16:31:06
Ray Copeland
So the, the one side of that is not hard to fill out with a heap of young adults, and that feels good. But if we invite them to every other one after, they might be dribs and drabs of twos and threes in a room of 20 odd, others. And so it’s harder to feel like you’ve got a focus friendly pathway there, and there’s not enough to do something uniquely for them.
00:16:31:08 – 00:16:47:07
Ray Copeland
So rather than saying we’ll do one big one at the start of the year, and then we’ll do another one in term three, where we particularly, shape that start up event around knowing that they’re going to be there both before, after, and we can lead it in a way that just acknowledges that a bit better. It helps.
00:16:47:07 – 00:17:05:20
Holly Stewart
But interestingly, we do run a separate integration event for our year 12 moving into year 13. So recognizing that they’ve grown up in the church often, they’ve been in youth group for six years. And so they do already think quite well about a lot of the ends. And so we can really tailor it to their life and life stage.
00:17:05:22 – 00:17:26:21
Scott Sanders
So that’s really helpful. We’ve been thinking lots about the outside of the person who’s new to church, but I do want to press into that question about your young people who, you know, growing up in youth, growing up in Christian families, often or at least growing up in the youth, the youth space. What does it look like to transition a, a youth into young adult, into adulthood?
00:17:26:23 – 00:17:49:21
Holly Stewart
We are quite intentional. We hope, towards the end of year 12. So really trying to do a good handover from the youth team to the Knight pastoral team. So we have a variety of events where we essentially, inviting them along to things. And, so we run an event in December, run by the youth team, where they get to meet the pastoral team at every night.
00:17:49:23 – 00:18:05:19
Holly Stewart
And then we invite them back over January to a startup that will run for three weeks. So we hope to bridge the gap because it is quite long between the end of the youth term and the start of term one, when growth creep will begin. So it’s a long period for someone in a transition, and that’s always a dangerous moment for.
00:18:05:19 – 00:18:11:05
Scott Sanders
People and youth are already coming to church at time of year 11 and 12. Not church at 11 and 12.
00:18:11:07 – 00:18:18:01
Holly Stewart
They are, but we hope to invite them in a formal way to officially become members of our service. And yeah, so on a team.
00:18:18:01 – 00:18:31:16
Scott Sanders
And so that’s really interesting, like the, the formality of because you talk about authenticity and community, but there’s still a formal moment here that you wanting to, you know, welcome them and acknowledge that they’re, they’re becoming adults and owning their own faith.
00:18:31:18 – 00:18:50:17
Holly Stewart
Yeah. Yeah. And I think this is the moment where they get to join a growth group. They get to start serving in a team. And so we’re inviting them to really step into church life with us, to see themselves as a member of Abbey. Not officially. While previously they might have thought a bit more about youth as their main service.
00:18:50:19 – 00:19:05:15
Scott Sanders
Now, while we’ve got you guys here, if you’ve got any sort of practical tips in this space, anything that we’ve kind of missed, missed out on any kind of key things that you’d be saying to listeners out there that they want to pay attention to?
00:19:05:17 – 00:19:28:15
Ray Copeland
It might rob me of my last line a little bit, but, you can come back to that one. The longer I’m in this space and the longer I just watch the dynamics of people moving in and out of a big church like ours. Paying attention to your community space, is easy not to do because you’ve got so many other competing things and priorities, and your convictions take you into a different line.
00:19:28:17 – 00:19:49:03
Ray Copeland
But I’m so convinced increasingly so, that communities like the unsung hero behind church life, and there’s a version of it that happens organically. But there are ingredients or you consider an environment for that organic thing to grow in a beautiful, healthy way. It’s the trellis on the vine kind of thing, right? So what’s the trellis behind the community?
00:19:49:03 – 00:20:19:08
Ray Copeland
That’s what I’m thinking about. It’s, so it goes down to equipment, like you feel your vibe, your lighting, the music that people are coming into, intentional thought afterwards. So practical tips for me would be people have made the decision you really want them to make. They’ve stepped into your space, they’ve come to church. If you invite them to other spaces, that’s another decision that narrows down when they’re not really sure they know people there.
00:20:19:08 – 00:20:44:23
Ray Copeland
So there’s such a drop off right of every other invitation after the church service that, yeah, you can do good things there. But you, you accept you’ve got a diminished return on. So maximize the thing that you’ve already seen them make the decision for. And that is they’ve come to church. And how do you make that experience as big and as best, warm, relational, engaging as you possibly can.
00:20:45:00 – 00:20:47:11
Ray Copeland
So I think deeply about that. Intentionally about that.
00:20:47:16 – 00:20:49:00
Scott Sanders
That’s good. Holly.
00:20:49:02 – 00:21:13:14
Holly Stewart
Well, I agree with Ray in a sense. So look for those community wins. They can be really small things around your regular discipleship moments. And I’d also say, don’t assume that young adults will just fit the mold that you’re already operating with for families and other demographics. So things like your follow up for newcomers is the phone call 24 hours after church the best way to help them connect in what?
00:21:13:14 – 00:21:16:04
Scott Sanders
You mean that. Oh, I have a phone call. What are you saying?
00:21:16:08 – 00:21:23:23
Holly Stewart
Absolutely. Every young adult to us. Not there. But yeah, we do need to think about what works well for young adults.
00:21:23:23 – 00:21:27:18
Scott Sanders
Yeah. It’s crazy. Apple’s got that new feature now where you know, it goes directly.
00:21:27:18 – 00:21:28:13
Holly Stewart
It’s horrible.
00:21:28:15 – 00:21:51:13
Scott Sanders
And you can’t actually do a proper a proper engaging with someone by talking to them on the phone. It’s ridiculous. Anyway, I’m such an old person anyway. We should wrap this up. This has been really, helpful to get an insight into what you guys do, particularly with your not service. So, Right. What’s the one thing on quick wins to keep young adults connected?
00:21:51:15 – 00:22:14:00
Ray Copeland
I would come back to just communities. The unsung hero of any part of your church life. Especially true in young adult life. So think clearly about particularly the before and after components of your service. How will you maximize the warmth, the and the relational connection ability of someone on their first visit and beyond?
00:22:14:02 – 00:22:16:05
Scott Sanders
And Holly.
00:22:16:07 – 00:22:20:20
Holly Stewart
I think Grace as well. I don’t have much more to add. I need a minute to think.
00:22:20:22 – 00:22:39:23
Scott Sanders
Don’t give me a call. That’s what I nice. Yeah, I call me, Well, Holly and I, it’s been really helpful. Thanks so much for being generous with your time. But also just join us in, helping us think proactively about quick wins to connect, young adults in church life. Yeah. Let me just, push into the toolbox very quickly.
00:22:39:23 – 00:22:57:11
Scott Sanders
We’ve got we’ve we’ve done a whole bunch of stuff in this space. So I’m just going to give you some highlights, from the last few years as a community integration learning lab. Two parts from Team Clemens in medical care that was, recorded just sort of after Covid. Another episode on the one thing, episode 47.
00:22:57:11 – 00:23:21:08
Scott Sanders
So it’s an already, effective integration with Amy Townsend and Tim Clements. And then lastly, if you’re thinking about this from the perspective of church plant, Derek, Hannah and Maddie, Julia also do a great episode better welcoming episodes 177 and 178. So if you wanted to think about this, particularly in the church plant space, that would be a great episode to, to push into as well.
00:23:21:10 – 00:23:34:20
Scott Sanders
Right. Maybe, Ryan Holley, are there any books that you’d recommend on this on this topic sort of to understand the mind of the young adult? Are there any, any yeah. Books you’ve particularly, you know, read or interacted with?
00:23:34:22 – 00:23:48:17
Ray Copeland
I think one of the challenge with most books is I always come from a cultural context, and so I think studying your own cultural context is almost as good as anything. And be be able and willing to just try some different things.
00:23:48:19 – 00:23:54:07
Holly Stewart
And chat to you young adults. They’re the best, best resource for that.
00:23:54:09 – 00:24:09:21
Scott Sanders
Awesome. Well, if you think this is helpful episode, we’d love you to pass it around. Share it with your staff team. Share with those members on your welcoming time. If they’re particularly pushing into the young adult space. I’m Scott Sanders. Chat soon. Soon.
