Most ministry teams don’t fall apart because of conflict. They often drift because people stop showing up — in body, heart, or prayer.
In this episode, Dave Moore talks about what helps teams become healthy, dependable, and deeply Christian. He unpacks the four things that make a team worth being part of — the kind that actually helps people follow Jesus together.
In this episode:
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The four things every team needs to get right
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The quiet crisis of people in ministry who’ve stopped showing up
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What happens when Christians act like Christians in conflict and frustration
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Why your team needs a prayer, not just a vision statement
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How one personality tool helped a team move from endless “I wonder…” meetings to real progress
Dave Moore became a Christian through SRE at primary school. Dave is the Executive Pastor at Hunter Bible Church in Newcastle. He is also an author and the Founding Director of Safe Ministry Check online.
TOOL BOX:
The Team Member’s Handbook by Dave Moore
The Team Leader’s Handbook by Dave Moore
Episode 393 Handing Volunteer Team Leaders Responsibility with Dave Moore
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TRANSCRIPT:
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00:00:08:12 – 00:00:26:14
Pete
Good I am. Peace and welcome to the one Thing a podcast is on TV. One solid practical tip for ministry and the one things brought to you by Reach Australia. We want to see thousands of healthy, evangelistic, multiplying churches all over our country. Today we’ve got Dave Moore, who has been semi-regular guest. You been on the podcast a few times?
00:00:26:14 – 00:00:28:21
Dave
Yeah, I’m a friend of the podcast.
00:00:28:22 – 00:00:47:14
Pete
Friend of the podcast. That’s a great way to put it that. Dave, we’re here to talk about the Team Members Handbook, which is a new book that you got out. But before we get into this, I just want to there are two characters that you kind of have conversations with throughout the whole book, which are entirely fictional. Have I got that right?
00:00:47:14 – 00:00:57:12
Pete
Because one of them is called Dave and the other one is called Pete, and that is just I just want to clarify that because Pete doesn’t come off particularly well. Let’s hear some of those conversations.
00:00:57:17 – 00:01:18:14
Dave
I think it’s a really important character. So one of the things I really I’m convinced of is I love the way American Christian books, particularly use stories to help you understand the ID they’re trying to convey. I think it’s so helpful because it for so many people. I think it’s the stories when you see the ideas played out, that’s when you go, oh, I get it.
00:01:18:14 – 00:01:41:06
Dave
That’s all. I think that’s really helpful. And so I’ve tried to use stories from my life and my ministry in these books, and the part that I knew 27 years ago who spoke to me about being a team member. I just thought he played such an important role in my thinking about ministry, that I couldn’t bear to change the name like I did out of characters.
00:01:41:06 – 00:01:43:23
Dave
And so I want to say thank you for being that guy.
00:01:43:24 – 00:01:56:10
Pete
That was that was great. Thank you Dave. I appreciate you highlighting how much I’ve changed in 27 years, because I’m not that guy. I’ve learned a lot since then, but he’s definitely read the book and you will understand. I yeah.
00:01:56:12 – 00:02:07:24
Dave
If you if you like listening to it, being able to hear what Pete was like in life, 1990s and how he encouraged me into ministry, that’d be great. Actually, I think you come off really well in this book.
00:02:07:24 – 00:02:22:10
Pete
I think I’ve got it. We’re going to move on because I really don’t want to. I’m going to get into the actual main parts of the book. But for now, you’ve press play on another episode of the One Thing your team ministry sucks. Unless you get these four things right.
00:02:22:12 – 00:02:46:24
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00:02:47:01 – 00:03:03:18
Pete
All right, now, Dave, I want to get into the book. You’ve got four key ideas in the book. There are four parts of the book, and I want to just kind of delve into each one of them in a bit more detail. But before we do, you pulled out the Team Leader’s handbook, right? So why do I need this book?
00:03:03:18 – 00:03:11:01
Pete
If I’ve got the team leader’s handbook, how do I just go, hey, I’m a leader. I’ll just teach my team this. What? Why do I need the team members handbook?
00:03:11:03 – 00:03:14:14
Dave
Look, maybe you don’t, and that’d be great.
00:03:14:16 – 00:03:21:10
Pete
That’s not great for science. I don’t think you understand. I think you guys do have publishing works. You’ve actually got to try and sell books.
00:03:21:14 – 00:03:44:04
Dave
I think it’s really great that as we start becoming a team leader and we lead a team of people, we start thinking about all the conversations we want to have with our team members. We want to think about the way, the way they are approaching this role. We want to care about their motivation, about why they’re doing, about how it’s an expression of the Christian faith, their walk with walk with Jesus.
00:03:44:06 – 00:04:10:03
Dave
We want to have all those chats with them. But for many team leaders, there’s not heaps of time to walk that through. And these are big conversations. It’s a large topics we want them to think through. And so that’s why we’ve written the team members handbook, because what it tries to do is walk with your team members through these big ideas about their motivation and how being a team member fits in with the larger church and Jesus big mission.
00:04:10:05 – 00:04:19:06
Dave
And so if the hope is you can give this to your team members and that will give you the ability to have those conversations with them as a team leader.
00:04:19:08 – 00:04:32:02
Pete
So when would you ideally give this to them? Is it during the serve chat as people are coming in part of the sort of the integration into church moment, or is it they’re actually already a part of a team and you want to help them just to get some alignment on teams?
00:04:32:02 – 00:04:49:12
Dave
Yeah, I’d say the earlier you give it to them, the more it’s going to help them. So I would I think it’d be really helpful to give it to people as you’re inviting them to serve at church and say, hey, we love you to serve at church. Heaps of ways of serving the way that we do. Most of our serving at church is through teams.
00:04:49:12 – 00:05:07:20
Dave
And so here’s a book that will help you work out what that looks like as you serve in whatever team it will be. So I think it’d be helpful there. But for some teams, they might say, I think about serving. And then as you come on and kind of observe, we talked a bit more about it. We want you to step up into ministry.
00:05:07:20 – 00:05:14:19
Dave
You might give it to them then and say, hey, you’ve started doing this, read this book and it’ll help you work out what’s next for you.
00:05:14:21 – 00:05:27:19
Pete
Okay, so part one, you start with serving starts with Jesus. Why does serving need to start with Jesus? Why can’t we just get into the arts, the needs of the ministry? I’ve got to get it in there. That’s simple. Why do we need to start with ministry with Jesus?
00:05:27:21 – 00:05:47:23
Dave
I think because we want to be Christian, that a part of the gospel and part of the way we come to God is we trust that God has done the work to save us. We trust that God has done the work to bring us into his family. And so God has done the work in setting out why we serve it.
00:05:48:00 – 00:06:12:00
Dave
He is the motivation we want to have, and so we want to start with a picture of how we’re saved, how God has worked in his world towards us. And the lovely thing about Jesus is that Jesus just has this. It’s so clear. So in John 13, we see Jesus starting with his authority and then looking at his disciples and saying, see how I serve you.
00:06:12:02 – 00:06:34:11
Dave
You should serve one another like this. And so there’s this direct connection with the way our Lord serves us. That is to be the pattern, the example that we follow. We all Christians, not just some Christians, all Christians are meant to serve because Jesus has given us example to follow that we want to be like him, not so that we can earn his favor, but because he has been so gracious to us.
00:06:34:17 – 00:06:39:01
Dave
We then turn around and we want to show that same grace and kindness to others.
00:06:39:03 – 00:06:57:20
Pete
I think that’s such a key thing in terms of ministry. Like I, I’ve realize when I lose sight of that, how much ministry is actually difficult for me to do. But when you go, I’m actually following a king who washes people’s feet. It’s so much easier to do ministry. So. Yeah. Okay, so part one is serving starts with Jesus.
00:06:57:20 – 00:07:03:14
Pete
Part to serve the big team. Now what does that mean and what what’s missing if we forget this.
00:07:03:14 – 00:07:28:24
Dave
Yeah. So it’s can be so easy in our churches as we encourage people and invite them to serve that we just make it this one for one thing of, hey, you’re here. Here’s a task. And we just draw this line between them and the need that’s in front of them. What we want to do is go from them, help them understand who they are and Jesus that Jesus has called them to serve, and then help them understand that before they do any serving in church, the team they’re part of is Jesus team.
00:07:29:01 – 00:07:50:16
Dave
And so Jesus doesn’t just say, serve like me. He says, serve with me. So Jesus is on a mission. He he has completed his mission, and he’s consummating his mission of bringing all things under himself and bringing people to himself. And we are part of his team. And I just think this is a lovely picture there of the way Jesus has called us into his family.
00:07:50:16 – 00:08:11:10
Dave
We all do the family, we all do the business of the family. We’re all involved with that. And so I want people in motivations. I want I would love to see Christians who are motivated by that big vision of I’m serving Jesus first, and then their expression of that is in their ministry team at church. Yeah.
00:08:11:16 – 00:08:14:20
Pete
So what happens if we we lose sight of that? What what happens in ministry?
00:08:14:20 – 00:08:34:04
Dave
Well, you can imagine a couple of things happen. You can imagine people. I think that the church is the most important that their particular church is the most important thing in the world, and not that churches will all dissolve because we’re all part of the heavenly church. Or you get people who will think that their particular role is the most important thing that they’re doing, rather than going on.
00:08:34:04 – 00:08:57:07
Dave
No, Jesus is the most, most rather than going. Jesus is the most important. And so we’re all serving him. And so it’s about priorities and what matters to us in our hearts. I think it’s kind of the, it’s the theme or it’s the current that runs behind everything that Jesus wants to do. We want to make sure Jesus is at the center.
00:08:57:09 – 00:09:07:20
Dave
He’s the one who’s who is motivating us, and we want to be serving him rather than, I’ve got this job. The church needs this. Yeah.
00:09:07:22 – 00:09:25:17
Pete
So this is about remembering you’re part of a much bigger movement. You’re not just doing this one thing on a Sunday. It’s a bigger movement. And remembering that that’s that’s part of what you’re doing and you’re serving. I love how you say serving with Jesus, because sometimes I think we we get we lose track of that and we kind of go, Jesus is up there.
00:09:25:17 – 00:09:35:03
Pete
He’s sitting down next to his father, so he’s kind of resting and not really doing anything, but actually he’s working through us by his spirit so that we can, build his kingdom. Yeah.
00:09:35:03 – 00:09:56:14
Dave
This is a great picture of I think I would love if you think about it, Jesus could do a much better job of ministry than anybody in the world. He could do. So when when he appears to Paul on the road to Damascus, you go, oh, this is the best conversion experience ever. But it’s actually not. Jesus sends Paul to another guy, to a Christian.
00:09:56:16 – 00:10:08:07
Dave
So is it because Jesus can’t convert Paul now? Of course he he could. Jesus is the best evangelist in the world if he wants to, but he chooses to use his church. Yeah. And and Paul. Paul goes to and a ice.
00:10:08:07 – 00:10:09:13
Pete
And Ananias is like Moses.
00:10:09:13 – 00:10:25:01
Dave
Like I do. I have to do you know who Paul is? And. Yeah, but, but that’s who Jesus uses. Jesus chooses to use people like us, even when we’re not 100% on board, because he loves to use he loves to see us, his brothers and sisters, working with him. Yeah.
00:10:25:03 – 00:10:37:07
Pete
Yeah. I remember there was a theologian whose name just escapes me for the moment, but talks about the three, humbling of Jesus. One is that he becomes man. Secondly, that he goes to the cross. But the third is that he passes his mission on to.
00:10:37:07 – 00:10:37:22
Dave
The church.
00:10:38:03 – 00:10:45:09
Pete
And it’s like, dude, do you know what you’re doing? Like, there’s a certain point we’re going, you know what you’re doing here, right? But that’s that’s part of his humility.
00:10:45:09 – 00:10:45:18
Dave
That’s great.
00:10:45:18 – 00:10:52:00
Pete
I love that. Okay. What’s the team pray in chapter five? You talk about the team for. What’s the team pray?
00:10:52:00 – 00:11:16:08
Dave
Yeah. So this is, this is I hope this is going to be a good connection between this book and the team. Latest handbooks are in the Team leader’s handbook. I encourage team leaders to come up with a team prayer, which is a way of really in a punchy, clear way, expressing why their team exists. And I love it as a prayer rather than just a mission statement or vision statement or those type of things.
00:11:16:08 – 00:11:42:21
Dave
It’s a prayer because we are calling on our Heavenly Father to do something spiritual through the people we have gathered together to do the ministry. And so I want team members, not only team leaders, to have a sense of what they prayers, but I would love to see team members praying that prayer. And so it’s actually bit in the book where I say, if you don’t know that the prayer for your team, why don’t you text your team leader right now and say, hey, I’m reading this book that says we should have a team prayer.
00:11:42:23 – 00:11:44:19
Dave
What’s our team prayer?
00:11:44:21 – 00:11:57:15
Pete
Okay, tell you leaders, you better be ready for that text. So yep. That’s right. So is it. What’s the difference when the team prayer and so vision are they are they at odds with each other. Are those same thing. How does it how do those two things interact?
00:11:57:17 – 00:12:05:17
Dave
A vision is a hope that you don’t call out to your heavenly father about.
00:12:05:19 – 00:12:06:20
Pete
Yeah.
00:12:06:22 – 00:12:26:07
Dave
A prayer is a hope that you call the Heavenly Father about that you say, this is the future. I would love God. God, I’d love you to do. Please, please do this thing. And we’re here. We want to see it happen. We’re going to work towards that in. But we don’t do it without you. And ultimately, God, we need you to do it.
00:12:26:11 – 00:12:27:14
Dave
Yeah, yeah.
00:12:27:16 – 00:12:44:24
Pete
I in that I think that’s really key for Australians to hear. So you know Americans I love the big vision and you know and I remember again I remember saying this study of this idea that was in America and they tried to bring it to Australia on this, oh, we’re going to do this big vision. And all the employees went, yeah, good luck with that.
00:12:45:01 – 00:13:01:10
Pete
We’re not really going to do much. You let us know how that works out. Yeah, yeah. But because we kind of look at the big vision guy, I can do that. But when you have a team, pray, I know God can do that, and it really stretches us. I think that’s a really good. And I think I at the moment, I’m just going through my praying.
00:13:01:10 – 00:13:05:16
Pete
Two small praise, because God is a great God and I need to pray bigger prayers for him.
00:13:05:16 – 00:13:21:03
Dave
So yeah, and I think it’s really helpful for team members. Again, it connects to the jobs that they are doing, the responsibilities that they have. It connects them to something much larger. They’re not just doing this thing because their team leader came up with this idea. Yeah, if they are praying it. So for example, you the band team.
00:13:21:06 – 00:13:44:04
Dave
Sure. Yep. I think a really common thing is bands will pray before the service and they’ll quite often pray for things like our God help us to play well, which depending on how you’re playing, maybe that’s a really big prayer for you. I don’t know, but I want them. I want the team leader to help the team members pray a huge prayer for that day.
00:13:44:06 – 00:14:04:22
Dave
God, please change people’s hearts as we reflect on these words as we sing together. Please draw people closer to you and close to each other. Please do this spiritual work that we can’t do. We? We’re only plugging stuff in and strumming and hitting things. And in a way that sounds good, but God, you please use it to do something awesome.
00:14:04:24 – 00:14:19:11
Pete
Okay, so that’s a team prayer. The next part is about serving your team. Now, there’s a number of different chapters you got in here. I’m going to dig into some of them, but what’s the what’s the one thing that you think people get wrong when it comes to serving your team that you see most common?
00:14:19:17 – 00:14:21:07
Dave
They don’t turn up.
00:14:21:09 – 00:14:24:09
Pete
Really. They just don’t turn up but.
00:14:24:09 – 00:14:42:08
Dave
Have an internal joke in what I’ve said to a few people that the main reason for this book is to encourage team members just to turn up, that that would be good if team members just turn up. It seems the most common problem when you talk to team leaders is they saying, oh, but my team members, it’s hard to get them here.
00:14:42:10 – 00:14:47:03
Dave
And so if anything happens, if team members would just turn up, that would be good.
00:14:47:05 – 00:15:03:22
Pete
So maybe I’m just being naive because my team tends to turn up to things, but what? Someone’s a great team. Know. Well, you know, that’s what I’m saying in the book. Okay, let’s let’s leave that. I’m letting that go. I’m okay. Why why are team members not turning up?
00:15:03:23 – 00:15:23:02
Dave
I think for a lot of them, they don’t have a clear picture of why what they’re doing is so important. They don’t have a clear sense of this is how this affects the church, how this affects the kingdom. They don’t they don’t own the team prayer. That is why did people turn up. It could be lots of really great reasons, but they don’t.
00:15:23:02 – 00:15:44:03
Dave
And so we want to acknowledge that. But when you’re calling people do this thing and they’re like, oh, I can’t get there today because of organize this other thing. Well, why did you organize something like if it’s important and maybe. Yeah, but didn’t, why didn’t you organize a swap. Because this is important as well. So I think that’s part of the motivation in the the first part.
00:15:44:05 – 00:16:12:22
Dave
But it is both some for some team members, it’s just helping them go, hey, really hard to run the team when you don’t turn up and they go, oh, oh yeah, that is they just don’t realize how important it is. So we got, recently, we got someone to step in and lead a team, and, people were a bit nervous about the person that I’d asked to lead that team that day, because they weren’t as regular.
00:16:12:24 – 00:16:28:16
Dave
One of their pieces of feedback to me afterwards, after they led that team for two weeks, was how important was that? People turn up. I was like, yeah, how are you feeling about that? And they’re like, yeah, I think I need to turn up a lot better. Like putting them in that position made them realize that they weren’t against it.
00:16:28:16 – 00:16:30:08
Dave
They just didn’t.
00:16:30:10 – 00:16:31:07
Pete
They just didn’t get it.
00:16:31:09 – 00:17:07:05
Dave
Yeah, yeah. That’s right. But that’s I suppose that’s a very practical end. Yeah. I think some of the key things that I’d really love to see our two team members do is to bring their Christianity into their team. That is, I want them to be Christians as they work within their teams, is I want them to show love and forgiveness and understanding to their team members, because I think this is really lovely thing that as Christians get together and work together and there’s inevitable conflict, that they are Christian as a as they as they relate to each other.
00:17:07:05 – 00:17:23:11
Dave
As I deal with that, and I think that’s worth being upfront about, because some people can walk into a team and think, this is going to be perfect when no, no, we follow a perfect king. We’re not perfect yet. And so there’s an expectation that you are going to sin against your team members and they’re going to sin against you.
00:17:23:11 – 00:17:38:14
Dave
And how are you going to deal with that? That makes for a great team. I think some of the best teams are the teams where people have sinned against each other and they’ve forgiven each other. They are awesome teams because they have decided they’re going to make Jesus the most important thing in their time.
00:17:38:16 – 00:17:58:10
Pete
Yeah, because I was going to ask you about chapter. It is Be a Christian. I’m going, I think we should have had that like chapter one or something like that. But that’s really what you mean, isn’t it? It’s actually bringing that your Christian character into the team. And I actually, I thought that was really helpful in the book where you did talk about what happens when a team member sins against you and how do you do that?
00:17:58:10 – 00:18:16:15
Pete
Forgiveness. And, and, and, and digging into that bearing with one another in love is actually part of the team. And we tend to get caught on. Oh, we’ve got to achieve this in this, in these rather than thinking about how is my character being developed and changed through, he all right. The last, last section is tools for teams.
00:18:16:20 – 00:18:33:09
Pete
So you it’s interesting you write, you put in stuff like the desk thing and the, six working geniuses, which, if you’re not familiar with them, just go and look them up. Yeah. Why did you put that there? Why is it important for teams to, to to go through those sort of personality tests?
00:18:33:09 – 00:18:53:07
Dave
Yeah. It’s one of those things that, you know, there’s so many tools you could put in there. I do think that for lots of team members, they are better team members when they both understand their own peculiar peculiarities, when they understand themselves and how we they are and when they understand themselves in comparison to their team members.
00:18:53:09 – 00:19:13:17
Dave
So the whole point of doing these personality type strengths and that type of thing is to not not to go, oh, that’s who I am. Everyone else needs to adapt to me. It’s to go, oh, that what? That’s what I must be to everyone else. They must be adapting to me to do that. And so it’s a recognition.
00:19:13:17 – 00:19:32:06
Dave
And so I think the good tools for understanding ourselves as team members and how we need to think about and relate to our team members, which leads to teams working better together. So it’s a way of them taking ownership for themselves is as team members, not just running through the motions.
00:19:32:08 – 00:19:41:19
Pete
Now, if you’ve got an example of a team that, has benefited from doing one of these sort of personality tests on one of these, these tools that help you identify how God has made you.
00:19:42:00 – 00:19:58:14
Dave
Yeah. So I think they’re really helpful for these things. So we’ve got one team that I’m thinking of where the person leading the team was really high in wonder. And if you don’t know what wonder is in the working geniuses, it’s the ability just to. They constantly can’t help asking the question. I wonder if this is an issue.
00:19:58:14 – 00:20:17:08
Dave
I wonder if we should be doing that. I wonder what we should do. And so that was them. And so they were trying to lead their team. They got their team together every two weeks and they’re going through this. And we were hearing from some of the team members that they were finding that really hard because they never got things done, because it was just raising questions every time meeting.
00:20:17:10 – 00:20:40:08
Dave
And so we talked to other members of the team, and we found one of them was really high in tenacity in moving through the list. And so we suggested a shift where we let we encourage that person to run the meeting and the first person to speak in whenever they like, rather than the other way around. And so that meant the person running the meeting could go right.
00:20:40:11 – 00:20:46:02
Dave
This is the purpose of this meeting. We’re going to move through these agenda items. And the person who was high in wonder could then sit.
00:20:46:05 – 00:20:47:10
Pete
Sit back.
00:20:47:12 – 00:20:58:18
Dave
And go, hey, can I just write something on that point? I wonder if we need to consider this. And so those questions of wonder were asked in the right context, rather than leading the discussion.
00:20:58:20 – 00:21:01:11
Pete
So was the person who was harm one that were they the team leader?
00:21:01:14 – 00:21:02:00
Dave
The team leader?
00:21:02:00 – 00:21:07:11
Pete
Yeah, right. But they’re letting somebody else run the meeting. Yeah. Because they’re better suited to running the meeting and getting stuff done now. Yeah yeah.
00:21:07:11 – 00:21:28:02
Dave
Yeah yeah. And the result was everyone has gone. All the meetings are so much better now. And we understand the leader better. So we understand why he’s asking that question. And we can answer that question. That makes sense. So yeah, that was an example that worked really well. We’ve done it on our staff team as well. So I’m high on invention and low on discernment.
00:21:28:08 – 00:21:43:16
Dave
And so I now know that I will get in these meetings and I’ll go right here are all the ideas and people can shoot them down. That’s completely fine. But I’m good at coming up with ideas and other people behind. Discernment can go yes, no no no no no no no. But maybe that one.
00:21:43:18 – 00:21:59:10
Pete
You know, I, I work closely with someone who’s high discernment, and without naming names, I’m married to someone who’s high on discernment. And I always thought that, they just don’t like. They just want to shoot down all my ideas. And then I realize, going through this, I actually know they’re trying to help me.
00:21:59:11 – 00:22:00:08
Dave
Yeah.
00:22:00:10 – 00:22:06:13
Pete
When I come up with this crazy idea, I’m like, I don’t do that. You, you will. Probably dies. Sometimes I also happen.
00:22:06:13 – 00:22:08:01
Dave
To be married to someone who can discern.
00:22:08:01 – 00:22:20:23
Pete
I reckon they also realize that’s actually really helpful. It can be really helpful. And, it was just helpful for me not to get better at them. Hey, guys. No, no, no, actually, that’s just the way God’s made them. And they’re a gift, not a curse.
00:22:21:00 – 00:22:23:14
Dave
But there were some times when they really don’t.
00:22:23:16 – 00:22:41:21
Pete
All right, so let me just quickly go back through, you got the four big things that you’ve got in your book is serve, because of Jesus. Serve the big team. Serve your team. Use ministry tools. Are there is there anything there in the book that I may have missed that you go. Are you the reason to read this book?
00:22:41:21 – 00:22:44:10
Pete
Is.
00:22:44:12 – 00:23:06:00
Dave
I would say I, I pray the reason you read this book. I pray that when you read this book, your heart will be reignited for serving Jesus in whatever time you’re in. Even if you’re on a staff team, that you’ll go, yes, this is why I’m serving. And I can see how the jobs and the responsibilities that I have that connected to Jesus greater purpose.
00:23:06:05 – 00:23:25:00
Dave
And so I hope that’s the outcome. My secondary one is that if you’re reading this, it’ll give you an excitement to have these conversations with people on your team that you’ll be able to say, hey, what are you thinking about this? Because this is giving you a framework for thinking about next conversations.
00:23:25:02 – 00:23:34:21
Pete
Excellent dive. This is the one thing, right? So if there was one thing that you could change about ministry teams around the country, what would it be?
00:23:34:23 – 00:23:54:19
Dave
I think I would love to see ministry teams all having a massive prayer for the impact God might have through them, if they were so clear on their impact on what God could do through them. And I pray big prayers. I think that’d be great. That’s the one thing I’d love to say.
00:23:54:21 – 00:24:14:18
Pete
That that’s a that’s a great one thing. Okay. In the toolbox, obviously we got a link to the, team members handbook, as well as the team leader’s handbook. Also, there’s a previous episode where Dave and I’ve talked about the team leaders handbook, there as well. This might be a great episode that you might want to send to your other team members.
00:24:14:18 – 00:24:32:05
Pete
If you’re in a team that you’re a team leader, you might want to hey, listen to this. And then maybe we can work through the book together, discuss some of the ideas that have come up. But it may be really helpful for you to pass this around. If you got the feedback. Make sure you email us resources at reach australia.com Labor Day.
00:24:32:10 – 00:24:33:17
Pete
Thanks for joining us again.
00:24:33:19 – 00:24:37:00
Dave
Thank you. And if you want to find out what Pete was like please read the book.
00:24:37:00 – 00:24:42:24
Pete
No, you don’t need to do that. That you read the book so that you can be a better team member. I’m Peggy’s chat, so,
